On Dec. 5, 2015, North West lost her only child status with little brother Saint West’s birth. Five-plus years and two more siblings later, Kim Kardashian and Kanye West’s oldest child is still not over it. Kardashian spoke to Ellen DeGeneres about how North feels about having to share attention with Saint, Chicago, and Psalm.

“North, I thought she was gonna grow out of this like, ‘I want to be an only child’ phase,” Kardashian started, via E!. “She hasn’t. It’s a struggle even to go to school. There’ll be times when she’s like, ‘I’m not riding in the car with my brother.’ So morning drop-off has to be a fun thing, and luckily, so many of our friends and cousins, they all live in the same neighborhood, so I’m the carpool mom.” Kardashian also said there are two vehicles involved sometimes so North doesn’t have to ride with her siblings.

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“[I’ll] have to separate the kids because [North] wants her own music, she wants her own vibe, she wants to sing with her [friends]. So I have to trade off. It’s always a thing—bribes,” Kardashian said.

She added that North is in a goth phase now at age 8. Her little three-year-old sister Chicago “is my girliest girl that loves pink and purple and makeup. All my kids are so different. North is like goth—she’s into Hot Topic. She puts fake tattoos on her face, and she listens to Black Sabbath, and she’s just like a full goth girl.”

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Kardashian last spoke about North’s grief over losing her only child status in October 2018. “North acts like an only child at all times,” Kardashian said then, via People. “I think she’s a little confused. She’s beyond jealousy now. She’s just like, ‘It’s my world.’ She said to me the other day, ‘Mom…we just need to have another baby brother so that Saint can just leave me alone…so the girls can be on this side of the house and the boys can be on that side of the house.’” (North did get that other brother, by the way: Psalm was born on May 9, 2019.)

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